Curse

blackstarling · Jul 15, 2009, 09:35 PM // 21:35

Seems like for the most part people posting here have at least thought things over before posting their two cents. It's good to see that even if you don't agree with me, you've actually put some thought into it before posting something like "haha... ur retarted." I know it's a lot to sift through, but actually reading all the posts and information available really helps to make a solid stance. If you're not interested enough to read everything, your uninformed opinion is likely irrelevant to the situation. Thanks to everyone who has followed the flow of information. If I had a dime for every "75k isn't a lot" post... I'd be able to hit up the dollar menu at Taco Bell. (Maybe twice.) Now then...

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Originally Posted by Nerel

What don't you understand here... you made a mistake in a trade, you weren't scammed or misled, you... made... a... mistake...

The player who you were trading with DIDN'T scam you, he didn't do anything wrong, his only fault is being opportunistic and greedy. There was nothing to report.

As for YOU violating the Rules of conduct that YOU quoted...

"While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. You will not report players maliciously, or cause them to be investigated without reason."

After YOU made a mistake in the trade, you contacted the player (presumably to explain your mistake and ask for your money back), and you claim to have asked him a few times before he set you to ignore...

Do you get this, you asked him a few times and he choose to IGNORE you. Did you respect HIS choice not to be harassed by you? No, you used the LOCAL channel NAMING THE PLAYER and asking OTHER PLAYERS to contact him on your behalf... numerous other people to talk to him after he made it clear he didn't want to continue the discussion. "...or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players."

Do you see what I mean? I'm guessing you don't...

edit: Oh, the screen shots were awesome... after people who were harassing him on your behalf made all sorts of threats... abusing him, threatening to post screen shots all over the internet (yeah, violating your precious RoC) just awesome. You're right, these people who helped you out are GOOD people... RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing awesome.

I do realize I made a mistake. (See earlier posts.) I never said I was scammed. (See earlier posts.) If the player I dealt with knowingly walked away with more money than he was due, he DID do something wrong. A wrong in the area of decency and not necessarily according to GW rules. (See original post. Never stated he was ban-able or had violated rules. That was mainly the reason for the post, I didn't know whether or not he had. After doing my research, I found that nothing in Guild Wars Terms of Use, Rules of Conduct or the User Agreement forbids his actions. It's simply a matter of decency and integrity.) Not knowing whether or not it was a reportable offense - instead of jumping to uninformed conclusions... I asked.

As far as Rule 1 of RoC I'm quoting my reply in post 42. You must not have seen it.

As I said in the original post "Based on this statement (Rule 1 of RoC), I have the right to expect that other players will allow me to enjoy the game and that they will not cause me distress. Even though these statements are very broad, common sense dictates that I am not wrong for attempting to find a better end result. You can try to use the last sentence about reporting players against me, but I'll just reference the first part of this rule again." If you want to be able to use this against me, you'll need to argue how he wasn't causing me distress or taking enjoyment out of the game for me and/or say how my singular report to GW was malicious or done without reason. I didn't ask anyone to harass the player or cause the player distress. I only asked that they ask him to return the money. (After all it was possible that he didn't realize what had happened or was confused as he later stated.) As far as unwanted attention goes, I don't believe it applies in this case. He wasn't being needlessly bothered. He later looked me up and said that he had forgotten my screen name and had to get it from a PM'r. So it turned out in favor for both of us. You can't make a solid argument without supporting your decisions, especially when they are opinion based and/or very broad interpretations.

Do you see what I mean? I'm guessing you don't. Point is - he wanted/needed someone to message him to be able to find me. It could have been unwanted attention, but in this case it wasn't. His story is that he logged off which is why he wasn't reachable - not that he put me on ignore. Other people tell me that he did not show as offline for them at that time however. I can't prove the case to be either/or. What I can prove is that he himself admitted to being glad someone PM'd him again. Based on his own admission, you don't have an argument here. I don't have to accept your opinion to respect it, but I can't respect an opinion that's just stated to cause a ruckus. Read up before you fly off the handle and you're more likely to get your point across. The whole point of argument/debate is to get your point across isn't it? Or is it just to prove you're right, I'm wrong? If that's the case, you could have summarized your post into those four words and saved yourself the trouble.

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Originally Posted by TheodenKing

So the person who gave you the ectos was "paying it forward," and asking you to do the same. The fact that you helped another person in return indicates that the ecto donor had a positive impact. Now the guy that solicited the ecto from you concerns me, because he is coming to you from a position of "what can I get for free." But hopefully he will do something selfless for someone and the chain will continue.

I am a generous person, but what I have experienced in GW is that typically if you give something to a player that appears in need, often times they will add you to their friends list and try to get more handouts from you later. Being an enabler is not good for you, and not good for the person getting the handout. So instead, when someone is asking for a handout, I try to coach them on how to get what they need themselves. If they are patient enough to see the value of my words, they benefit. But many people are not smart enough to see the value, and they just move on to try to mooch off someone else. Unfortunately, we are in a generation of victims.

My challenge to you is this: Find one person (it won't be hard) that has a need. But instead of giving them what they want, say the following: "I'm not going to just give you "X." I'm going to give you something better than "X." I'm going to teach you how to get lots of "X." If they stick with you, you're on your way to making the GW universe a better place. And yes, you can get them to "pay it forward."

I really appreciate this post. It's an idea that hasn't been addressed yet but I think is valid and pertinent. You're absolutely right in that the guy did ask me for more items after the original gift. He asked if I had any Celestial weapons which I actually do - but I realized the slippery slope that I was on. Instead of trading him what he wanted, we went to Nahpui Quarter and terrorized Star critters for a couple hours until he got the drops he was looking for. We've gone a-huntin a couple times since when I shared my tactics for getting the most drops in the least tries. It's been a couple nights and he's come along to the point that he goes on solo hunts. THAT is the intended response you're talking about isn't it? It's much more gratifying to empower someone to get their own goods than to just give them what they want at the time. Also a good story - a fella asked me for a freebie the other day when I was WTS'ing some minis. I gave him one worth 10k and he used the money to have enough buying power to pick up some goods at a price he could still resell them. He checks in with me every night to tell me what he's sold and seems to be doing pretty well with it! Yeah, it could have gone in another direction and he could've turned into a mooch, but I don't mind taking that chance with people if they seem decent. I have no problem telling someone "no" when they're reaching too far. I think the last paragraph of your post is insightful and proactive - it addresses a problem before the problem even exists. I wish more people would share your opinions and attitude on the matter. You're one of those good people.

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

Umm.... I did read it, that was the whole point of the post.... I hate it when people use such a thing as a get-out-of-jail-free card, and I hate it that people who 'have been to iraq' automatically get treated as godly heroes when in fact they might have done nothing or even done something wrong. I'm not saying the OP didn't do anything great over there, I'm just saying that "I've been to iraq" without any context shouldn't bring 'civilians' kowtowing before them. I'm glad the OP explained that she meant she had a sudden influx of cash as a result of her period not gaming, and not "omg you should give me my moneys back because I've been to iraq!". In any case, such a thing shouldn't even matter: the agreement was 75g for a green dye. There was no intent to pay 75k. As a result, the other party should refund 74,925g regardless of anything else.

I'm not trying to troll or be insensitive with this post, I'm just being realistic.

P.S. I'm not American.

I really like this post. I completely agree. I don't want to say too much more because it's something that really should have it's own thread. There are a lot of very strong opinions on this subject that are actually thought-provoking and interesting. Kudos to you for having the guts to be honest about your opinion. Many people are afraid to make such a stand because a lot of Americans are unconditional staunch supporters of their Armed Forces.

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Originally Posted by t00115577

Cant even be bothered to read all the rest of posts, my view of whole thing is your origionally too cheap to pay an extra 25g to buy the dye, then your too stupid to pay 75gold instead of 75k, then come on here and persuade other people to harrass the guy til he gave you the money back. Well hats off to you, some of these people might be 'Good' people, but your not.......

If it was me theres no way id give it back just to spite you for making people PM me constantly about it, not that id have taken it in the first place but still....

PS. Hope ya get your ass banned for breaching EULA by "...or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players."

Yep. I'm cheap. See post #35 of the original post and #42 (Second Response) from this post. You're not saying anything we don't already know or haven't already heard. Didn't ask anyone to harass the guy - but I admit to believing he deserved it and even thinking it's somehow fitting. You don't agree with me and I'm okay with that. What is it that you believe makes me a non-good person? You didn't exactly specify and I'm honestly interested.

I didn't make anyone do anything. If I had that power, I would have made him give me my money back and I'd have never met all you wonderful people!

I'm curious to why you wouldn't take the money in the first place. If you're the type of person to want to spite me by asking for what's rightfully mine, why aren't you the type of person to take the money in the first place? I'm not saying that it's impossible for these two to co-exist! I'm truthfully interested in your reasoning.

In my conversation with GW, they've stated no intention to ban me or anything of the sort. (Seems to be coming up a lot in recent posts.) For distress/unwanted attention, see any of a number of my previous posts.

To HollaBigj - You really should start a thread for this and see what people say. I know you've already done a lot of research, but there's GOTTA be a better solution to your sitch. I wish I knew more to be able to help out... I have to admit, I don't even know what the bambi emote is that you're talking about. (If it's a PVP thing, I only do PVE) Still, the Guru here seems to be a neverending font of information... someone out there has gotta have SOMEthing to help you out... (right?)

refer · Jul 15, 2009, 11:24 PM // 23:24

This is a stupid story. Basically he steals 75,000 of your money and EVENTUALLY gives it back, and now you're friends? What if he didn't give it back? And he knew what happened, but held onto it for all that time, that isn't right!

Hey remember that time I stole 75k from you and put you on ignore so I could make sure it was mine? / Yeah / Thanks for the loan / no problem.

Lyphen · Jul 15, 2009, 11:34 PM // 23:34

Ah, stories of kindness warm my heart. Thanks for telling us your tale.

I didn't read many replies - because I know how cynical and idiotic half the people on GWGuru are. I suggest everyone ignore them and their dour responses.

blackstarling · Jul 15, 2009, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by refer

This is a stupid story. Basically he steals 75,000 of your money and EVENTUALLY gives it back, and now you're friends? What if he didn't give it back? And he knew what happened, but held onto it for all that time, that isn't right!

Hey remember that time I stole 75k from you and put you on ignore so I could make sure it was mine? / Yeah / Thanks for the loan / no problem.

So what if he didn't give it back? I'm out 75k. It sucks but stuff happens. If I did what I could to get it back and still didn't get it back, I'd still move on. I befriended him in hopes that I'd be a good example for him and others. Just because I didn't like his reaction to an incident doesn't make him a bad guy. And if he IS a bad guy, hopefully my example with make some kind of impression. Even if not - it doesn't hurt to try. It's not like I've lost anything by essentially forgiving him.

Pistachio · Jul 16, 2009, 12:15 AM // 00:15

This was an interesting story. And encouraging. Thank you for sharing.

pumpkin pie · Jul 16, 2009, 05:20 AM // 05:20

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Originally Posted by refer

This is a stupid story. Basically he steals 75,000 of your money and EVENTUALLY gives it back, and now you're friends? What if he didn't give it back? And he knew what happened, but held onto it for all that time, that isn't right!

Hey remember that time I stole 75k from you and put you on ignore so I could make sure it was mine? / Yeah / Thanks for the loan / no problem.

To my understanding, there were no stealing involve, it was a mistake on the OP's side to key in the number 75 in the wrong field.

Marchese · Jul 16, 2009, 05:56 AM // 05:56

This isn't a story about the OP or her decisions/mistakes in game (and for all you people giving her so much crap about screwing up that trade, I'm sure you've all got some stories about supremely idiotic screw ups you've made in game at one point or another.) It's not even a story about the theft itself, it's about an act of kindness that is very very uncommon not only in GW, but in MMO communities in general. You should be thankful at least a few of these people exist instead of deriding people for their mistakes.

Corrupted Alex · Jul 16, 2009, 07:08 AM // 07:08

How come some people are referring to this as a "scam"? It clearly wasn't.

Minami · Jul 16, 2009, 07:46 AM // 07:46

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

Umm.... I did read it, that was the whole point of the post.... I hate it when people use such a thing as a get-out-of-jail-free card, and I hate it that people who 'have been to iraq' automatically get treated as godly heroes when in fact they might have done nothing or even done something wrong. I'm not saying the OP didn't do anything great over there, I'm just saying that "I've been to iraq" without any context shouldn't bring 'civilians' kowtowing before them. I'm glad the OP explained that she meant she had a sudden influx of cash as a result of her period not gaming, and not "omg you should give me my moneys back because I've been to iraq!". In any case, such a thing shouldn't even matter: the agreement was 75g for a green dye. There was no intent to pay 75k. As a result, the other party should refund 74,925g regardless of anything else.

I'm not trying to troll or be insensitive with this post, I'm just being realistic.

P.S. I'm not American.

I don't want to get into a politics argument with you, because I could rant for pages about what is going on wrong in the USA currently.
Let me just tell you that not all troops are treated as "godly heroes", actually, far from it. Every time I see protesters near cemeteries where families are burying their sons/daughters/fathers/mothers etc. who died in Iraq, brandishing signs "god is happy your son died", "your daughter is rotting in Hell", etc. I get very angry. You said you don't live in the USA... Then you probably don't know what the USA is like, and don't say "well I watch the news you know", because the media broadcasts about the USA (i.e. CNN) are misleading most of the time at best.

I am grateful to our troops because they do serve our country, be it a tank driver or a medic.

If you wish to continue this discussion further, please PM me, I won't be checking this thread for a reply from you.

Chushingura · Jul 16, 2009, 01:55 PM // 13:55

I do tend to agree with the majority of the "why didn't you buy green dye at the trader" viewpoint. I would be more sympathetic had it been Black dye you were looking to buy from other players.

Being a greedy/miserly mofo myself, I totally understand you trying to save some g by trying to get items cheaper. However, I would do this with materials rather than dye.

But I felt you went a bit far in spamming local chat with your plight, because it was your fault that you put in the wrong amount of payment. You said it yourself that the amount lost didn't matter, but that's really because you ended up getting 20 free ectos AND the 75k back later on. By then, of course you'd say it really didn't matter.

I bet until that point you were fuming or sad that you made such a mistake and the person you traded with didn't return your money. Now, the way he was talking with you in those screenshots, shows obviously that he is a young player or afraid to get in trouble, but this is debatable.

Anyhoo, thanks for another lovely read here on Guru.

DreamRunner · Jul 16, 2009, 05:14 PM // 17:14

Integrity in games? They're many people in these games that don't show any integrity but why should people have too? People playing games are there to enjoy the game and unless the players have some sort of common goal, it is unreasonable to try and tell players to show integrity among others for the sake of it.

I do agree with others that you went too far in dealing with the situation, especially trying to get others to contact him from your own mistake. But I guess you made a huge gain from all of this, so what does it really matter to anyone else?

What Now · Jul 16, 2009, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

To my understanding, there were no stealing involve, it was a mistake on the OP's side to key in the number 75 in the wrong field.

But if they write the wrong number on your tax return or check and you don't report it isn't that "stealing"? I guess it's the same thing as withholding information being borderline lying..but in the end you are judged by your own actions not those of others..

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

Integrity in games? They're many people in these games that don't show any integrity but why should people have too? People playing games are there to enjoy the game and unless the players have some sort of common goal, it is unreasonable to try and tell players to show integrity among others for the sake of it.

I do agree with others that you went too far in dealing with the situation, especially trying to get others to contact him from your own mistake. But I guess you made a huge gain from all of this, so what does it really matter to anyone else?

I don't understand? Is integrity limited, if the situations change do they warrant you to be selfish and careless?

The way I see it is this is an online game, still a game but it's online and these are no mere NPCs where as programming might of made it a tricky option in an offline game these are real people on the other side, husbands, wives, children, brothers, mothers, living people. While to some they can play all day and get the money back like a joke others have work and lives and people to take care of so they get very little time to play games and accumulate wealth inside of them.

Sure this is not work you are not obligated to show any respect, any remorse, any humanity to those you deal with but if you brush all that off on it being a game, if you ruin others fun for the sake of your own whether it be out shopping, at work, or even online graying the lines of what's real only shows your true colors.

There are tons of games like oblivion where you can play the bad guy and run around stealing and killing people that you can play but when you choose to interact with people you either have integrity or not..no matter the place or situation.

Simply put being good is not something you hang on a coat rack when you log on, it's not something you leave at the clock when you get off work, you either have it or you don't and if you don't it's not hard to fake it...the game itself is a common goal if you think about it..

QueenofDeath · Jul 16, 2009, 05:39 PM // 17:39

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Originally Posted by Zera Fang

-Blink- Wait... You were buying green dye from another player? Unless green dye has suddenly sky rocketed in price and rarity, you could get it from a dye trader for just a few gold more. If you had 75 platinum on you... Some pitiless amount like 25 gold lost is nothing. And who doesn't keep all the dyes they find? I'm sorry, but you're a dick for coming onto a forum and whining about how you lost so much due to your own recklessness AND THEN getting people to bug the guy until he returned your funds. Snaps for you in harassing someone or, at least, telling people to harass someone until they returned your money instead of facepalming and telling yourself, "Man, I'm a tard. I better triple check before I trade in the future."

I agree with you and I don't really believe the OP. Let's look at this he should have been paying attention to the trade amount in the top right corner of the screen. Just a glance and he would have seen 75000 gold to give that guy. 75000 is a far cry from 75. Now I just don't believe anybody even a retard would do something like that knowing that it is THEIR responsibility to check out all trades and the trade window before clicking accept. So, I blame the OP not the guy who pocketed 75plat. Then to come to a forum and brag about how he got people to pester the guy that got the 75plat. Makes him no better than the guy. But, that is the general gist of most people. They think they are all white without black and everybody else is the problem and not them. So, there really aren't any white satin players in the game, only those that THINK they are.

DreamRunner · Jul 16, 2009, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by What Now

I don't understand? Is integrity limited, if the situations change do they warrant you to be selfish and careless?

The way I see it is this is an online game, still a game but it's online and these are no mere NPCs where as programming might of made it a tricky option in an offline game these are real people on the other side, husbands, wives, children, brothers, mothers, living people. While to some they can play all day and get the money back like a joke others have work and lives and people to take care of so they get very little time to play games and accumulate wealth inside of them.

Sure this is not work you are not obligated to show any respect, any remorse, any humanity to those you deal with but if you brush all that off on it being a game, if you ruin others fun for the sake of your own whether it be out shopping, at work, or even online graying the lines of what's real only shows your true colors.

There are tons of games like oblivion where you can play the bad guy and run around stealing and killing people that you can play but when you choose to interact with people you either have integrity or not..no matter the place or situation.

Simply put being good is not something you hang on a coat rack when you log on, it's not something you leave at the clock when you get off work, you either have it or you don't and if you don't it's not hard to fake it...the game itself is a common goal if you think about it..

The OP was based around the idea of integrity in his or her post. The OP wasn't scammed but made a mistake. My point was that if the goal of a game is to be enjoyed, why should the person(the guy that got 75k instead of 75g) be obligated to give it back for the sake of others when obviously he didn't want too. But the OP wants to make him feel bad, because he wanted to be selfish or make a gain from someone who made a stupid mistake in the first place. I find it pitifully idealistic, especially when the OP made a MAJOR gain from the whole thing when the OP was a "victim" of terrible events from loosing 75k because of someones narcissistic behavior.

"Simply put being good is not something you hang on a coat rack when you log on, it's not something you leave at the clock when you get off work, you either have it or you don't and if you don't it's not hard to fake it."

If someone was faking being good, you cannot know if they're or are not good when you are on the internet. In fact you don't know about ANYTHING about the many people on the internet or playing an online game unless you have some personal connection. If anything, playing games and having so much anonymity from any effects in the real world helps boost narcissistic behavior, but that doesn't make it bad.

blackstarling · Jul 16, 2009, 07:27 PM // 19:27

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

The OP was based around the idea of integrity in his or her post. The OP wasn't scammed but made a mistake. My point was that if the goal of a game is to be enjoyed, why should the person(the guy that got 75k instead of 75g) be obligated to give it back for the sake of others when obviously he didn't want too. But the OP wants to make him feel bad, because he wanted to be selfish or make a gain from someone who made a stupid mistake in the first place. I find it pitifully idealistic, especially when the OP made a MAJOR gain from the whole thing when the OP was a "victim" of terrible events from loosing 75k because of someones narcissistic behavior.

"Simply put being good is not something you hang on a coat rack when you log on, it's not something you leave at the clock when you get off work, you either have it or you don't and if you don't it's not hard to fake it."

If someone was faking being good, you cannot know if they're or are not good when you are on the internet. In fact you don't know about ANYTHING about the many people on the internet or playing an online game unless you have some personal connection. If anything, playing games and having so much anonymity from any effects in the real world helps boost narcissistic behavior, but that doesn't make it bad.

I had this all dissected so I could address your inaccuracies and dramatizations but I suddenly realized two things: 1 - I've already addressed all of this. You must not have been paying attention the first time so why expect you to do it this time? 2 - You're only pulling the topic further and further off subject.

Luckily, your last two paragraphs are right on target so hopefully that redeems your post and gets it read. It just sucks that someone who is merely perusing might miss your actual good points if they stop reading when they realize your first paragraph is old hat.

Rocky Raccoon · Jul 16, 2009, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

The OP was based around the idea of integrity in his or her post. The OP wasn't scammed but made a mistake. My point was that if the goal of a game is to be enjoyed, why should the person(the guy that got 75k instead of 75g) be obligated to give it back for the sake of others when obviously he didn't want too. But the OP wants to make him feel bad, because he wanted to be selfish or make a gain from someone who made a stupid mistake in the first place. I find it pitifully idealistic, especially when the OP made a MAJOR gain from the whole thing when the OP was a "victim" of terrible events from loosing 75k because of someones narcissistic behavior.

"Simply put being good is not something you hang on a coat rack when you log on, it's not something you leave at the clock when you get off work, you either have it or you don't and if you don't it's not hard to fake it."

If someone was faking being good, you cannot know if they're or are not good when you are on the internet. In fact you don't know about ANYTHING about the many people on the internet or playing an online game unless you have some personal connection. If anything, playing games and having so much anonymity from any effects in the real world helps boost narcissistic behavior, but that doesn't make it bad.

Compassion just oozes from you, you really should learn to be a little more trusting even on the internet.

Jenn · Jul 17, 2009, 01:06 AM // 01:06

Truly glad to hear you got your money back.

On the flip side, absolute shame on you for posting his name publicly so that others could freely flame and harass him. It's also against the rules on Guru, and you went against it not once, but twice! It was your mistake, and even though he is/was an asshole, you didn't need to reciprocate. I know you wanted to lash out and make your case known, but you really did not handle it well at all. Take shit with more dignity. For whoever insinuates that younger people are more likely to act bratty, you quite acted like one. I mean, really, one of your posts ended up being like, "LOL nanana I ended up with more money nanana."

blackstarling · Jul 17, 2009, 02:31 AM // 02:31

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Originally Posted by Illfated Fat

Truly glad to hear you got your money back.

On the flip side, absolute shame on you for posting his name publicly so that others could freely flame and harass him. It's also against the rules on Guru, and you went against it not once, but twice! It was your mistake, and even though he is/was an asshole, you didn't need to reciprocate. I know you wanted to lash out and make your case known, but you really did not handle it well at all. Take shit with more dignity. For whoever insinuates that younger people are more likely to act bratty, you quite acted like one. I mean, really, one of your posts ended up being like, "LOL nanana I ended up with more money nanana."

Yeah, the whole posting his name was my bad. Like I said in the first post, I was actually registering for this site when it all went down. I had no idea that it was a faux pas. After reading the rules, it totally makes sense why it's against the rules. I was irritated with the situation and was acting before I fully considered the ramifications of my actions. I later went back and edited the one screen that I posted. I had no intention of reciprocating - or rather, I just did it to try to get my money back - it wasn't malicious. (If I was really that mean spirited, why would I have been so kind to him when he came back around? Once he had given me the money back I could have gone off and told him what a jerk I thought he was. You can't know that I meant to lash out because I didn't. I made some bad decisions but they were only motivated by my wish to get the money back. Check the screens and my other interactions for proof of demeanor if you need more convincing. I did want to make the case known, mostly to get help asking for the money back, put also partly to serve as an example of what not to do. Your strange interpretation of a post doesn't make me childish. (Though I am curious how you came to that conclusion.) Facts, founded/supported opinions and pertinent and/or thought provoking points are not what I would normally classify as anything but mature.

Nerel · Jul 17, 2009, 04:20 AM // 04:20

Seems my earlier post got deleted *acts surprised*

So let me ask, how do feel about the people who contacted the 'bad trader' on your behalf, only to bully, abuse and threaten him into giving you your money back? Are they good people too?

Or do you think publicly naming players and DRAWING UNWANTED ATTENTION to them is a bad thing, because it leads to just this sort of response?

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Originally Posted by blackstarling

I did want to make the case known, mostly to get help asking for the money back, put also partly to serve as an example of what not to do. Your strange interpretation of a post doesn't make me childish. (Though I am curious how you came to that conclusion.) Facts, founded/supported opinions and pertinent and/or thought provoking points are not what I would normally classify as anything but mature.

I don't know, referring to people who disagree with you or who point out your ROC violations in handling the matter as 'haters' and claiming that they are 'butt hurt' might seem immature?

"who's QQ'ing now?" Yeah, you're right, maturity, it's over rated.

Xr Cuun · Jul 17, 2009, 05:35 AM // 05:35

This is what i think,If he had said "hey that's 75k,Not 75G" and he wouldn't accept,But after a few minutes of being ignored Decides This asshole won't listen and accepts then it's your problem,Happened to me,I was buying gifts,I bought 25k worth for 20k because the guy wouldn't listen for 10 minutes while i was caps locking "I ONLY WANT 4 GIFTS,I ONLY HAVE 20K"